WoodWing only affordable for the biggest publishers?

Submitted by Erik Schut on 26 July 2010

It's now 6 months ago since Steve Jobs announced the iPad. It has been a crazy 6 months :-)

We have seen huge interest in our Digital Magazine solution that allows publishers to efficiently publish to the iPad. This interest is ranging from the largest publishers of the world to 1-man design studio's. Because TIME Magazine was our launching title, a lot of people think/assume that our solution is expensive and only affordable for the biggest publishers. Which is not quite the case...

So let me provide some clarity on our pricing. 

First of all it's important to realize that our iPad solution is based on our Enterprise publishing system, so it's more than just a plugin for InDesign. A minimal Enterprise configuration consist of:

  1. Enterprise Server which needs a database (like MySQL) and a WebServer (like Apache). This might sound heavier than it is: it can easily be run on a MacMini or even desktop or notebook.
  2. Plugins for InDesign to connect to the Server and to add Digital Magazine functionality to efficiently create slideshows, hotspots, links etc.
  3. Content Station, a client application to manage your content and digital magazine.

Adding this all up the software license costs for such a minimal configuration is 5,000 euro. Add extra (concurrent) users for approx. 1,500 - 2,000 per user, which price obviously goes down on volume.

Further you need a license for our iPad Reader App that runs on the iPad. We have different editions ranging from 1,000 to 10,000 euro.

I leave it up to you whether this is expensive or not...

Next you should wonder what will this bring you?

The iPad obviously gives revenue opportunities both by charging for content and advertising. ROI might be as quick as 1 or a few issues... And less tangible there is your image as innovative publisher.

Further we provide efficiency on the creation side. We have several weekly publishers who can now produce their print and iPad publication every week with the same crew that previously only did the print publication.

Combining this you can judge for yourself if this is good deal...

If not, don't buy it :-)

 

UPDATE March 2011:

  • You can now get an Enterprise license for a monthly subscription fee of 165 euro per user.
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Certainly this is out of the range for a small design shop who wants to provide iPad apps of traditionally printed documents to multiple clients. Have you considered a subscription based service for this type of user? A monthly subscription with a cloud based server would allow small designers to use your product and after success with the product may be able to step up to a full installation. Thanks
Sorry Jennifer, i cannot agree that the prices aren't affordable. We are a realy small publisher and did the invest. Jumping into the cold water we could sell nearly thice the amount in ads we spent for the whole soft- and hardware, including 2 trainingdays within a week. Either you'll ride the wave or stay where you are and wait for another pricingmodel. my(5)cents mbo
Sorry Jennifer, i cannot agree that the prices aren't affordable. We are a realy small publisher and did the invest. Jumping into the cold water we could sell nearly thice the amount in ads we spent for the whole soft- and hardware, including 2 trainingdays within a week. Either you'll ride the wave or stay where you are and wait for another pricingmodel. my(5)cents mbo
Michael, I don't think you understood Jennifer's comment, she is not a publisher, she is a designer who would like to offer ipad solutions for clients who are not publishers, companies that might want to produce a brochure app or catalogue. So the number of clients that would produce something for the ipad would be limited and they would not have weekly or monthly revenue. It sounds like Jennifer is thinking about more interesting ways of producing content for the ipad than just publishing a magazine, and being able to offer this option to a client that might not have deep pockets.
Monika, these are basical one time costs. 700 euro for a mac mini server, 5000 euros for the software and 1000 euro for each ipad reader app. so for instance say jennifer would produce a brochure or a printed catalog for a client, there a costs for printing, storage, delivery (postalservice etc). on the other hand you'll have a world wide distribution via the itunes appstore at no additional cost. so it couldn't be a problem to sell a fullfeatured appsolution at higher prices to existing print orientated customers, when there are no additional cost anymore. for sure there are one time expenses but you'll be able to sell your final product at higher prices also. imho it's a completely different aproach to switch from printoriented services to digital publishing.
Certainly not. In Australia for example, you can set up a single user Digital Magazine solution for under $15,000. This will give you a standard reader app so you can create a digital magazine that could resemble the original version of Wired. The cost to reproduce this each month would be in the vicinity of $3,600 for a new app which should be a lot less than the traditional print and distribution mechanism of hard copy publications. If you want something like Time then the costs would be a little more, but all of WoodWing's software is available on a Subscription Service and they have very reasonable hosting options. The only other cost to consider is support from the local providers. However, we are very friendly people and are more than happy to help small businesses.

Oops, it was my intention to also mention subscription prices, but clearly forgot it.

The minimal configuration as mentioned above is also available for a subscription price of €380 per month. Additional users can be added for €125-145 per month.

Note that this is software subscription, so it's still locally installed. At this moment WoodWing does not offer the creation tools as hosted services. Some of our local business partners do offer this, so you might want to check with the WoodWing partner(s) in your region.

 

Dear Erik, Thank you for your blog post. If this was really the case and the cost of a solution you offer is 5000 euros (~$6500) than I would agree with you that this is not prohibitive for small publishers. The problem is that we are being quoted $13000 (before maintenance and training) for the license and First Month Total: $17,720.00+Continued Monthly Fee: $1,557.00 for the subscription models. This is very confusing. Please help to sort this out. Regards, Mark

That sounds like you have been quoted more than a bare minimal installation, perhaps additional users. Also keep in mind that the $5k is just for the publishing system, it does not include the iPad App, that has to be added for $1-$10k.

Please contact the business partner that provided the quote to have them clarify the difference or send me the quote (esc at woodwing dot com) and I'll take a look at it.

Can we assume that a small independent publisher —1 editor/graphic designer—can use your system for about 5k for the system plus 1k for the app reader? I'm in touch with a local representative of WoodWing and getting a +18k for perpetual license or almost 2k for subscription… and this seems unreal for a small publisher. Can you please clarify this, or should we wait for Adobe Digital Publishing Tools this late summer?

Like I suggest above: please send me the quote (esc at woodwing.com) and I'll take a look at it.

Unfortunately I really didn't get the pricing model. For example, do I have to pay only once for the License or yearly? Whats about updates, do I have to pay for a new license for every update? And is the monthly fee model tied up with a minimum contract duration?

The license amounts mentioned are one-time fees and you have the possibility to also purchase maintenance for an additional 18% per year which will grant you free updates (minor and major).

The subscriptions fees are per month with a minimum term of 6 months.

esc: I already sent you the quote. did you get it? can you please clarify the minimum requirements as a list? I believe some of your local partners are pushing much more than the clients need to just make a quick buck out of it…

I already responded to Carlo's email, but let me summarize the finding here as well.

The quote Carlo received:

  1. Included additional users
  2. Included maintenance (the 18% I mentioned on Aug 25)
  3. Included local VAT (18%)

Without these the numbers did match

 

Erik. Please also include the 5000€ for in installation of the minimum system plus the "advised" ipad workshop at 999€. I think and extra 5999€ matters for the small publishers...
We are on week 3 now trying to figure out the pricing and we have bounced from $5000 to $25,000. We are not a small shop, but the production on the iPad will be a 1 to 3 person team for now working off 1 machine.

We've contacted reps from Woodwing & Aysling Digital Media Solutions by phone and email and still we are all over the place. We were even told that a database was not required - but your post above says otherwise.

We were actually permitted to download the PlugIn for InDesign (after purchasing of course) and then we finally got contacted by someone who told us we had to buy the enterprise solution for $13,000. We are ready and willing to purchase, but are completely lost in the procedure.

 Please send an email to shawn.duffy (at) woodwing.com to get this sorted out.

Erik, does the € 380 subscription fee include the ipad reader app (min. € 1000)? And maintenance (18%)? Or are those costs additional?
Does anybody know the cost for the Adobe's DMT?

 @Johan - the €380 is just for the Enterprise solution (the creation side), maintenance included. The reader Apps are only available as purchase.

@Mark - Adobe has not defined pricing for their DMT yet.

Will the Enterprise solution support the upcoming Adobe's reader app?

Yes, we do support Adobe's upcoming Viewer App. Bottomline that means you can use our efficient creation tools to publish to the Adobe App.

Will write a blog on that very soon. Stay tuned... 

Very nice!
Hello Erik, Firstly i'd like to congratulate you for what seems to be a really innovative product. Ive come to the forum a bit late, but ive read most of the comments and i think that the subscription model is best suited to me. Could you please inform me of the pricing for a one-man-band outfit via the subscription route? Thanks, Thomas.

 Please email me directly (esc at woodwing.com) and I'll connect you with the right person.

Hello Erik, I just got a rough quote back from one of your solution partners. They are saying the DM solution with 1 user starts at 12k. Then they are charging a minimum of 7k for installation/implementation. My question is if the DM solution is something we can't install/implement ourselves.

The complete Enterprise solution that is needed as part of our DM solution is indeed not something to install on your own. You will really need installation/implementation and training from one of our integrators.

Hi, I’d like to know how much it would cost, the implementation a magazine of 20 pags on the WoodWing solution

Contact one of our solution partners to get a correct quote for your situation:

http://www.woodwing.com/en/integrators 

is it possible to get a subscription and be able to make a magazine with films slide shows hotspots etc and what would a app cost that makes this possible. Would i be able to make multiple issues,what would be the annual cost per year and do you like with adobe pay in advance. lots of questions i know but i am very interested.
Hi, I have like 10 mags that i'd like to publish on the ipad. What are the costs? Also, what are the costs for each mag per month? Would like to know the details on the subscriptions and licensing. Was reading the posts but wasn't clear on the pricing issue. really interested in the DM solution

Hi NP,

May we suggest you enter your details on this page to get into quick contact with one of our business partners. They will be glad to assist you with any questions you may have.

http://www.woodwing.com/en/quote_request

Hi, Thanks for replying. I've sent a quote request, how long does it usually take to get a response from them?
Hi, I haven't received any quotes yet. Any other possibilities to get a quote from someone else?

Can you please send an email with your contact details and the partner you've selected to receive a quote from to Gerard van den Akker (gak [at] woodwing.com), then we'll take it from there. Thanks!

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